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MIDI Keyboards, Controllers and Interfaces :: RE: Sending patch changes to Korg Triton and M1 keyboards

EdK — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:45:54 GMT

Just wanted to add a commment to 3650guy....

I was also in the IT business for over 25 years and I am also very comfortable with hex.

Thanks...Ed

MIDI Keyboards, Controllers and Interfaces :: RE: Sending patch changes to Korg Triton and M1 keyboards

EdK — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:37:36 GMT

Hi everyone,

Thanks for replying to my posting. I want to apologize for not replying earlier. I got busy gigging the past couple months and haven't had the time to pursue this. The end of the season is coming up soon and I'll have much more time.

I need to re-read all the ideas everyone presented in this posting and get myself back up to speed and try your suggestions. I'll keep you posted on my progress. I just wanted to let you know I didn't fall off the face of the earth.

Thanks! Ed

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MIDI Sequencing and Notation :: New Music Composer being Developed

SMD3D — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:17:44 GMT

Hi everyone.... just informing everyone about a new midi composer program i am programming. I have released an early version to get some testing started on whats finished so far.

you can find a beta copy here: Windows Pc's Only
http://www.deved-portal.com/qmidi3/Qmidi3BetaVr08b.zip

NOTE:you may have to adjust your synth volume due to not programming that in yet

-Im currently fixing file sizes on *.qm3 file format and making some adjustments to the midi file import tool.

-It has a 50 limit use at the moment until i get a registry process programmed in.

What will this be worth when its done? It still may be released for free... Its in discussion since there is probably not much of a market for it...

Anyways download it...try it... post some feedback.

(not all of the buttons work yet) press x in the corner to exit or press escape to end the program
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MP3 Resources :: RE: What is the difference between mp3 and MIDI ?

Debdasmptr — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:16:49 GMT

A mp3 is music file which we can play in any mp3 player but Musical Instrument Digital Interface is called as MIDI. Both are totaly separate from each other.
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Synthesizers, Samplers, Drum Machines :: RE: JV-1080 : Can I set up a patch chain?

harry_guram — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:14:13 GMT

Hi, I'm using my jv1080 with M audio axiom keyboard. when i play the notes on the keyboard, jv just response to a note after a note, i mean to say if I'm playing an octave, jv will response to note C and the next note D will make no sound, then E makes sound and F no sound, so and so on. first i thought my keyboard is sending any msg. to jv which i don't know, then i tried a different keyboard, but it still the same, any ideas guys, am i need to change any settings on jv1080, plz reply thxs.

MIDI Sequencing and Notation :: RE: Midi Time Signature

SysExJohn — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:03:45 GMT

Hi xenowing,

Copyright laws are there to stop people's hard work being ripped off and resold. So the guy who's spent all the time and hard work doesn't get rewarded for the music that gives us all pleasure, just some thieving git. Having had some of my work "stolen" in the past, I know how I feel about it.

Time signatures show how many notes there are, and of what duration each note is, in a bar. So 4/4 (common time) means 4 quarter notes per bar. 3/4 (waltz time) means three quarter notes per bar. And 9/8 (an Irish jig I think) is 9 notes each note of 1/8th note duration.

It seems to me that the applications you are using are ignoring the MIDI tempo instruction, if it's being properly inserted in the first place. You may be better off trying a free sequencing program such as Anvil Studio to see if that shows things correctly. Actually defaulting to 4/4 time is correct if the program can't work out the time signature. If you input 4/3 (which is not acceptable in MIDI) then it would change it back to default.

As for volume changes, there are a possible 127 steps from no sound to full volume. The steps are so small most people can't hear the difference between each single step, so jumping by increments of 5 or so is much more sensible. When you draw a volume line or curve many (most) sequencing programs will "thin it out" and put in a series of increments.

With pitch bend the MIDI number does not equate to cents. Normally in MIDI the pitch bend range is set to two semitones, the default setting. So pitch bend will be limited to 200 cents positive and 200 cents negative. If you need a larger range then a specific MIDI command "set pitch bend range" has to be incorporated at the start of the file. I can't remember the possible max/min but it's several octaves as I recall. Take a look here: http://www.midi.org/techspecs/index.php the MMA is the owner of the MIDI specification. (You'll find some of my meagre contributions there too.)

I suspect there may be some issues with what you've created, but I'm sure they can all be fixed. Rookies make mistakes. I did until I learnt. Now I just don't make so many.

Yea, it takes time to learn about all this techie stuff. I started down this track about 20 years ago, so I ought to know a bit about it by now! (he said hopefully!)

I suspect again that what you're using isn't showing the file in its best light.

Some of that Hans Zimmer stuff is pretty good isn't it? There are some good MIDI files on you tube of his music. Search Hans Zimmer MIDI.

HTH?
SysExJohn.
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General Discussions About Music :: RE: Hello

Marnie — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:36:21 GMT

If you still haven't got rid of your domain names, try the classifieds

General Discussions About Music :: RE: Background music or noise pollution?

Marnie — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:33:36 GMT

And if people think of starting a discussion on reaction to above whether silence is music or not
I obtained the link of 4'33'' on http://relentlessenergy.com/historyofsilence. An article that describes how silence has been perceived through the years. very entertaining!

Synthesizers, Samplers, Drum Machines :: RE: roland jx10

benblb — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:19:10 GMT

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General Discussions About Music :: RE: MP3 to MIDI?

joky123 — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:52:22 GMT

would love to do that! We could select books for the club and have our conversation online. Does that appeal to anyone?

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General Discussions About Music :: RE: Does Anyone Do A 'Music Scan to Midi' Service

joky123 — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:50:48 GMT

There are not many of our societal roles that allow, permit or encourage this degree of attention to one’s own preferences, but (happily, delightfully, and thankfully) reading does.

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Computer Audio Recording :: Korg triton studio connection to pc

Maynard — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:31:05 GMT

i have a korg triton studio and my Cd-rom suddenly started to give me "error writing to Medium" message,i can't take the stuff that i recorded on my keyboard to the pc,and i asked they said there is a cable connect from the keys to the Usb,could that record in normal way,or it will only record things as Midi extension? greetings

MIDI Sequencing and Notation :: RE: Midi Time Signature

xenowing — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:28:29 GMT

Hi SysExJohn,

Informative response.

I wish I could just post the file, but it's a Hans Zimmer joint and I suspect it would violate... some stupid property rights rule.

Yes, the result is a 4/4 time signature. The song plays correctly, and has all of the tempo events, but the notes aren't in line with the bars.
It's not just that the notes and events are shifted, they are squeezed/warped so that it sounds correct in the adjusted export time sig. (I suspect).

The work file has tempos mostly above 210 and is about 247 bars.
The exported (and 'inspected') midi file has tempos around 150 and is about 138 bars.

I create the midi files with FL Studio, play in QuickTime or WMP, then inspect the exported midi file also in FL.

So, it' s not dedicated midi application, and I've suspected that it allows me to use specs or events that aren't proper for standard midi...
Hence the 4/3 time, perhaps. When I say 4/3, I mean 4 bars/3beats per par, maybe I have that backwards.? I'm looking at Wiki now, and I think I do have it backwards.
Also, volume events, I can draw smooth volume adjustments. however I've learned, by looking at high quality midi files, that volume should be 'stepped' into what FL Studio calls 'cells'.
Also, I can pitch bend + or - 1200 cents or more. QuickTime will honor the pitch bend and play correctly, but when imported for inspection, all of the bends are clipped at like 200 or 400 cents or something thereabouts. So I'll either use multiple pitch bends, with the seams hidden under a beat, or just play a scale.

Hmmm, in all of the above issues, the exported file sounds fine in QT, but then appears (or becomes) incorrect when imported?? Maybe that's closer to the issue??

Yes, I really don't want to re-author, I'm well over half way done with this thing, but I'm now thinking it should be 3/4 time. ... and the tempos I'm using are way too high... rookies.

Sorry if I threw in too much info, I just got excited when I detected knowledge.

MIDI Sequencing and Notation :: RE: Midi Time Signature

SysExJohn — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:25:19 GMT

Hi xenowing,

xenowing wrote:

You don't say what is showing the time signature as 4/4. i.e. what you are "inspecting" them with.

Quote:

The files play correctly, regarding tempos and whatever.
My goal is to not only create a midi file that sounds nice, but I want it to look correct when someone opens the file.

When I put 3/4, or 5/4 or 2/2 or 7/16 into my sequencing program or via a notation program it comes out okay. However I'm not sure that 4/3 is an allowable signature, is it? Am I right in thinking that the denominator has to be 2 or a multiple of it?

When I look closely it looks like this in hex:
4/4 = 04 02 18 08
2/2 = 02 01 18 08
3/4 = 03 02 18 08
5/4 = 05 02 18 08
7/16 = 07 08 18 08

Quote:

Is this time signature issue one of the limitations in midi, should I just re-author the song in 4/4?

Not in my experience, but it may be in the sequencer you're using, and definitely don't reauthor IMHO!
Best regards,
SysExJohn.
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MIDI Keyboards, Controllers and Interfaces :: Latency Issue

Denster — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:24:59 GMT

Every few beats the tempo slows down then speeds up. This happens on my own midi files and midi files I’ve down-loaded. It happens during record and play back. I can not only hear it audibly but can actually see the time meter pause a few milliseconds as well. It’s as if the program stops or pauses, then continues. It would drive a drummer mad!

I’ve seen other threads of people having similar problems. I’m learning that there are “different kinds” of latency issues and different tips have helped different people but haven’t found a fix for my particular latency issue yet.

I’ve tried some of the tips I’ve ran across like making sure the ASIO driver is clicked, increasing the buffer size, changing the ticks/beat in the time code, un-installing and re-installing the UA-25 EX drivers, deleting the AUD.ini file, cutting and pasting tracks into a new project, and other less critical tips as well, but still have the problem. I have the “advanced driver” switched to the “on” position on the UA-25 EX card as recommended. I believe I have plenty of RAM because it worked just fine until a few days ago.

I read where people can “change” the latency. Where is this done?

Indecently, I don’t have this latency issue when I record audio; just MIDI.

Also, when I dis-connect the UA-25 EX card and play midi files with Windows Media Player through the internal (stock sigma-tel) sound card I don’t experience the latency.

Thank all of you who have offered advice.

Any more help or tips would greatly be appreciated. I’m dead in the water until I resolve this issue.

And as always, Thank You for any help.

I’m using:
Gateway M350 Pentium 4 2.80GHz 760 MB Ram, Windows XP Home (service pack 3) OS, Sonar 6 LE, Cakewalk (by Roland) UA-25 EX ext sound card
Roland JV80 keyboard, Yamaha motif Rack ES (module)

Denster

MIDI Sequencing and Notation :: Midi Time Signature

xenowing — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:53:07 GMT

I've tested creating sequences with 3/4 time signatures and 4/3 time signatures in my host application.
When I export the midi files, then inspect them, the time signature is always in common time 4/4.
The files play correctly, regarding tempos and whatever.
My goal is to not only create a midi file that sounds nice, but I want it to look correct when someone opens the file.

Is this time signature issue one of the limitations in midi, should I just re-author the song in 4/4?

MIDI Keyboards, Controllers and Interfaces :: RE: Using three keyboards via MIDI

Denster — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:27:49 GMT

I'm assuming you are connecting the midi interface to your computer via usb? If so, then:

1. decide which keyboard is going to be the controller
2. midi out of the controller to midi in of the interface
3. midi out of the interface to the midi in of the controller
4. midi thru of the controller to midi in of 2nd keyboard
5. midi through of 2nd keyboard to midi in of 3rd keyboard.
6. from your music software program assign which midi channel you want to send on and which keyboard (or soft synth) you want to recieve on.

Example: let's say you want the controller to play a bass voice on midi channel 2 and your 3rd keyboard to play a piano voice on channel 4. Now, from your software, assign midi channel 2 to send on midi channel 2 to the controller. Then set up your controller to recieve on midi channel 2 and assign a bass voice. From your software, assign midi channel 4 to send on midi channel 4 and set-up your 3rd keyboard to recieve on midi channel 4 and assign a piano voice.

This is where you can start. You'll undoubtedly have other questions as you go along but, this should get you started. Remember: for "one port" you have 16 midi channels. With two ports you have 32 midi channels, etc. so if you have one midi interface with one midi in and one midi out, you have 16 midi channels. If you have a midi interface with 2 midi in's and 2 midi outs, you have 32 channels.

Does this make sense to you?

I hope this helps
Denster

Audio Interfaces, Sound Cards :: RE: Options paralysis on buying MIDI setup

SysExJohn — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:48:41 GMT

Hi Oliver,

Probably a wise decision IMHO.

The m-audio stuff is good gear I've heard, but I've no personal experience of it. Another piece of their equipment I've heard good reports of is the 2496 card.

Check out www.garritan.com for sounds and the northernsounds.com forum. There's Rimsky Korsakov's complete principles of orchestration there.

My advice would be, at this point to go for a piece of equipment that includes say Sonar LE. You'll probably find that that does everything MIDI that you're likely to need as well as supporting the VST standard. You could then get hold of the Synthfont VST program and find a sound font or two that suits you.

But if you liked what you heard of the demo I posted, then I'd still try looking for an SW1k card. I'll post a few more demos for you.

Best regards,
SysExJohn.
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General Discussions About Music :: RE: Hello

kelly7898 — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:58:41 GMT

Thank you for the post.
Hi guys, Im a newbie. Nice to join this forum.

Audio Interfaces, Sound Cards :: RE: Options paralysis on buying MIDI setup

Wannabe Beethoven — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:31:43 GMT

I decided against the Tascam FW 1884. That thing is the size of a suitcase! It is kind of cool how the mixer knobs move up and down by themselves when you move the ones on the screen -- motorized; but the whole thing just seemed much more than I needed, and I thought $500 is too much to pay to watch knobs moving. The chances that I'm going to need to plug about 12 audio devices in at one time are pretty remote. And I was a little un-nerved by the 20-minute warm-up thing. He was pretty ticked when I told him I didn't want it, and his girlfriend weighed in, too. Fun.

I took a MIDI file over there -- you guessed it: Beethoven. (I hand input by computer keyboard most of the first movement a few years ago). He played it using some of the Reason instruments. It's probably unfair of me to judge -- the guy is more of a hip-hop type and not really used to doing traditional orchestral stuff -- but frankly I didn't find the sounds he came up with any better than my SW60! In fact, they weren't as good. And the Sonar orchestral demos, likewise, didn't really impress me (you know they work hard on the demos). So I ended up just buying the computer, with the Sonar and Reason on it. Worst case, I just have a really fast computer. And it gives me the flexibility if I want to use soft instruments -- must look into the Garritan you suggested.

Next step, I guess, is the interface -- thanks for your suggestions there. I'll be watching Craigs List and waiting for a good deal. Have you heard anything about the M-Audio Delta 1010? I see quite a few of them, as well as their younger brother, the 1010LT. You mentioned earlier the quality of the ADAC is maybe the most important thing. Is that objectively measurable (i.e. in the specs) or is it a subjective thing?

No doubt, too, you're right about the learning curve on Sonar and Reason. Have to wait and see on that.

Audio Interfaces, Sound Cards :: RE: Options paralysis on buying MIDI setup

SysExJohn — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:13:28 GMT

Hi Oliver,

"Recording the output" is not the same as loopback.

Recording the output means taking the audio out and connecting it to say a DAT recorder or, as you say, an mp3 recorder, then recording. Loopback is when the digital audio created by e.g. a softsynth is sent to the audio hardware and immediately returned via a digital input stream so it can be laid down to a sequencer audio track.

You can then build up a series of audio tracks, one by one, of the various instruments and apply processing to them as a separate part of the creation process.

Personally, I wouldn't touch a piece of equipment that takes 20 minutes to sort itself out.

There's no doubt that Sonar 8 is a good DAW my only concern is that you may find it incredibly complicated compared to your old software. If you're mainly going to be doing MIDI files then you won't use 95% of the features in it.

If I was going for a PC interface I'd go for the E-MU 0404, here's a review: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/articles/emu0404.htm

I use the E-MU 1212m internal PCI card which I upgraded with an external interface making it the 1616m. It's not the ultimate in audio interfaces (I'm not running a recording studio) but the quality is fantastic.

Here's another review: http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/proaudio/emu-0404-usb.html .

The thing is, for everyday MIDI stuff, you don't need Firewire. MIDI travels at just 31,250 bps. So even USB 1 is fine to carry several sets of ports and an audio stream in and out as long as the USB drivers, that run in Windows, are good enough.

My advice would be be careful, don't jump at something too quickly without being certain that it will do what you want. I know people who are running MIDI files live on the simplest of machines, with Windows '98, and getting excellent results.

Best regards.
SysExJohn.
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MIDI Keyboards, Controllers and Interfaces :: RE: Unable to connect keys with PC

andregill — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:16:03 GMT

I think, it would be work properly and will not face any problem.

MIDI Keyboards, Controllers and Interfaces :: RE: SL-161 Service Manual

Steve Vasil — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:56:57 GMT

SysExJohn wrote:

Hi Steve,

Sorry I misread your post and missed the "service" bit!
Have yet found anywhere that does that one.

SysExJohn.

Hey, no problem.

My keyboard has a relatively minor problem; the logic circuitry is not working. I have nicer keyboards for the occasional gig, but this one stays set up in my recording studio corner. I might eventually see what I can figure out without the service info. Thanks,

Steve

MIDI Keyboards, Controllers and Interfaces :: RE: SL-161 Service Manual

SysExJohn — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:36:37 GMT

Hi Steve,

Sorry I misread your post and missed the "service" bit!
Have yet found anywhere that does that one.

SysExJohn.
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